[Celebration] Differentiating between presidency and concelebration
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Alexandre COUSTHAM
OBSERVATION: When I put several celebrants for the same celebration (such as the back to school mass that brings everyone together), I notice that the celebrants are automatically sorted in the order in which the celebrant profile was created in the database. (Probably this is a default sort on the ID of the Celebrants DB...)
PROBLEM/ANNOYANCE: I would like to be able to put all the priests as celebrants of a common mass so that this celebration is on everyone's diaries. But when I do that, it is always the priest who appears as the main celebrant (since his profile was created before the others), while he is not always the one who presides...
PROPOSALS:
- Easy proposal: change the criteria for sorting celebrants on a celebration so that they are displayed according to the order of registration in the “celebrant” field. That way, the first person you enter would be displayed as the main celebrant in the list of celebrations and mass schedules.
Underlying understanding: the first celebrant one enters is the president and the following are concelebrants.
- More complex proposal: Distinguish the “celebrant” field of celebrations (and possibly sacraments as well...) into 2 fields: “president” and “possible concelebrants”. Thus, there would be no more ambiguity... But this evolution is certainly heavier than the first...
Today, we cannot therefore use the possibility of putting several celebrants on the same celebration because otherwise, we no longer know who is supposed to preside.
Thanks again to the developers for all the work they do 🙏
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Élodie Massa
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Charles BIRON
Do we have to characterize everything in ENORIA? Is knowing who is managing the celebration (in the liturgical sense here) not enough? In the event of the presence of the bishop, it is the information that the priest is present that is relevant.
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P. Raphaël Cournault
Béatrice DOP & Alexandre COUSTHAM this change involves a lot on a technical level, so I'm taking the time to dig deeper into your request. How many times a year does this problem occur: 4 times a year? 30 times a year? For our part we (in the parish) only put the main celebrant, the others if they want to add this mass by hand in their personal agenda, and in general between priests we know this kind of thing.
Alexandre COUSTHAM
For our part, this happens at least 15 times a year with the few so-called “unique” Masses that bring together the whole community, special events, the arrival of the bishop,...
I understand that a structural change is cumbersome. But I think that studying the question simply from the angle of the criterion for sorting the list of celebrants of a celebration is much less so...
Today, when you put several celebrants on the same celebration, they are not sorted in order of entry... So if I want to be the main celebrant, and I enter my priest as the 2nd celebrant (meaning: concelebrating), well, he is the one who ends up at the top of the list (because of a sorting criterion) and displayed as the main celebrant in the list of celebrations...
By changing this sorting criterion so that the celebrants remain displayed in the order in which they are added to a celebration, it would make it possible to manage the concelebrants without requiring a lot of technical maneuver on the part of the developers.
Thus, all the celebrants will have all the celebrations that concern them in 1 single agenda. 🙂
In any case, a big thank you for all the work of the developers 🙏
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Misha
Alexandre COUSTHAM in fact, there is no sorting possible in order of addition... it is in fact the order in which the celebrants (as such) were created that matters. So to make the bishop appear before the others automatically, you must create him first... We're going to think about this question.
Béatrice DOP
it is all the more annoying when the concelebration involves the bishop who then appears after the priest!